Won’t Start

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Won’t Start

Post by Sribs » Wed Aug 07, 2019 13:39

I have a Portuguese Mini Moke that has been garaged whilst waiting for the sun to shine.

I went to start her and nothing, not even a click. I have checked the battery and it’s fully charged. The lights work.

I have put a screwdriver across the 2 terminals of the solenoid and she cranks.

I then put the screwdriver across the battery terminal and the red and white cable connector and nothing. Do I need to replace the solenoid?

Any advice on this would be gratefully received. As the sun is shining and would love to get Moking! :D

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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Doug G » Mon Aug 19, 2019 18:37

Ignition switch/key works?
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Doug G » Mon Aug 19, 2019 18:39

The starter solenoid control wire could have a bad connection.

There is also the 'breakdown wire' Nigel can tell you where it is.
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Mon Aug 19, 2019 18:44

It sounds like the starter solenoid is suspect. Or it could be the connection between the ignition lock and solenoid
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Doug G » Mon Aug 19, 2019 19:15

Nigel, what does that 'breakdown wire' do? The one which causes the Moke to stop when it 'breaks' or 'disconnects'?

It is a very 'thin' wire, near the distributer, I will try and get a pic. :)
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Sribs » Tue Aug 20, 2019 20:51

I’ve replaced the solenoid. Will keep you posted. :D :D

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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Sribs » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:44

So I’ve replaced the solenoid and when I hook up the battery the car cranks without me putting the key in the ignition! :?
Not sure why that is happening as I replaced cables like for like.
Any ideas?
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Doug G » Thu Aug 22, 2019 13:14

Connections and wires to switch and/or the ignition switch itself might be the problem.
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Thu Aug 22, 2019 17:25

If it’s turning over with no key as soon as the solenoid is connected then there is obviously a direct connection to the battery somehow. It’s a bit difficult to say really without being able to get up close and personal with it.
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Sribs » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:34

Nigel, that’s what I think.
I’m going to replace the old part because if that’s the case the engine should still crank once I hook up the battery. It wasn’t doing that before which is why I replaced the part.
This one has me perplexed 🤔

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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Sribs » Sat Aug 24, 2019 16:21

So I hooked up the old solenoid.
When I put the - heavy duty cable on the negative terminal of the battery nothing!!! The car didn’t crank with or without the key. Could I have the wrong solenoid? As the one I purchased had 4 connectors??

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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Sat Aug 24, 2019 19:13

The solenoid should have two heavy duty connections ( with 7/16ths size nuts) for the main cables and some spade connectors. The cable from the battery fastens to the terminal with the two spade connectors on it. There should be one large and one small spade connector on this terminal, these feed the “always live” terminal of the fusebox ie. lights,horn etc.
The other heavy duty connection ( without any spade connectors on it) goes to the starter motor.
There should be one other small spade connector in the centre of the two heavy duty connectors, this is where the white/red wire from the ignition switch connects to and is what triggers the solenoid when you turn the key
If that’s what you’ve got and thats how it’s connected then it should all work
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Sribs » Tue Aug 27, 2019 15:51

So I purchased another solenoid with 3 spade connectors and would you believe it... she cranks.
I can’t get her to turn over. Any idea? I was thinking chuck some fuel down her??

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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Nigel(no top)Sykes » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:50

It’s my understanding that cranking and turning over means the same thing. Do you mean it won’t run?
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Re: Won’t Start

Post by Tim » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:33

There's a problem with the reproduction solenoids on the market these days. The ones that come in a green Lucas box have a terrible reputation, they fall apart inside. The old original style which can be started by manually pressing the button on the end is the best.

My Moke wouldn't crank on the key recently. I went to the mechanic for a new solenoid and he reckoned that since I had the old original style one that the solenoid was probably fine and the wiring was the problem. He was right, The white and red wire had broken at the ignition switch end.

If its turning over but not firing it could be several things. I wouldn't pour fuel down it, you'll probably just flood it. Try a squirt of starting fluid down the carby throat (I like "Start Ya Bastard", because I get to say the name). If that doesn't help, check that you are getting a spark.

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